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10/01/12 01:45 PM
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Rakhasa wrote:The two fisrt limitations I would add are two or the three from Disney's Genie: Magic cannot resurrect the dead, and Magic cannot make people fall in love.
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10/01/12 01:54 PM
Bob Schroeck wrote:For the purposes of Drunkard's Walk, I defined the power behind magic as a previously unknown fundamental force of the universe, accompanying gravity, EM and the strong and weak forces. Insofar as EM, at least, can be blocked, it's at least possible.
Bob Schroeck wrote:No. Fenspace is part of the same metacontinuity as Drunkard's Walk, and resurrections are possible in at least some of the worlds Doug visits.
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10/01/12 02:03 PM
HRogge wrote:Bob Schroeck wrote:For the purposes of Drunkard's Walk, I defined the power behind magic as a previously unknown fundamental force of the universe, accompanying gravity, EM and the strong and weak forces. Insofar as EM, at least, can be blocked, it's at least possible.The Fen also have gravity manipulation (both with handwavium and some Fen with hardtech)... so gravity can be blocked to. What I don't like about the Drunkard's Walk magic text is that you have to be born with the right genes to do magic... that will most likely kill the Wizard faction as soon as true magic is discovered.
Bob Schroeck wrote:No. Fenspace is part of the same metacontinuity as Drunkard's Walk, and resurrections are possible in at least some of the worlds Doug visits.I disagree on this. Fenspace is (according all I have seen here on the Fenspace forum AND on the wiki) a project of its own. We are not restricted by anything external.
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10/01/12 02:58 PM
HRogge wrote: What I don't like about the Drunkard's Walk magic text is that you have to be born with the right genes to do magic... that will most likely kill the Wizard faction as soon as true magic is discovered.
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Dakota wrote:I'm interested in magitech myself, I think any early pure magitech shouldn't be more powerful then 'dane tech. I want to take Dakota this route post 2020, after he has a "Huh, that's odd." with one of his experimental hologram crystal focusing setups.
10/01/12 05:15 PM
HRogge wrote:Dakota wrote:I'm interested in magitech myself, I think any early pure magitech shouldn't be more powerful then 'dane tech. I want to take Dakota this route post 2020, after he has a "Huh, that's odd." with one of his experimental hologram crystal focusing setups. 2020 is also the date the hardlight holograms Dakota invented together with a few catgirls on Christmas 2019 were finally reproduced the first time. I assume they built Dakota a hardlight projector of his own soon after... I am not surprised he continued to experiment with holograms. *G*
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10/01/12 08:46 PM
HRogge wrote:Bob Schroeck wrote:No. Fenspace is part of the same metacontinuity as Drunkard's Walk, and resurrections are possible in at least some of the worlds Doug visits.I disagree on this. Fenspace is (according all I have seen here on the Fenspace forum AND on the wiki) a project of its own. We are not restricted by anything external.
No. Fenspace is part of the same metacontinuity as Drunkard's Walk, and resurrections are possible in at least some of the worlds Doug visits.
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10/01/12 09:53 PM
Bob Schroeck wrote:HRogge wrote:Bob Schroeck wrote:No. Fenspace is part of the same metacontinuity as Drunkard's Walk, and resurrections are possible in at least some of the worlds Doug visits.I disagree on this. Fenspace is (according all I have seen here on the Fenspace forum AND on the wiki) a project of its own. We are not restricted by anything external.If you disagree, then you have to ignore the Catalog in its entirety. Because it is based on the package of technologies gifted to Sylia Stingray by Legion in Drunkard's Walk II, brought to Fenspace by Lisa "Sailor Loon" Vanette and her companions, who are following Doug and who arrived in Fenspace because Doug was in Fenspace and helped get Stellvia up and running. As documented in Legend of Galactic Girls. If the Catalog exists, Fenspace is part of the same metacontinuity as DW. In fact, as that linked diagram indicates, Fenspace has been considered part of that metacontinuity for the last five years. Quod erat demonstrandum, baby.
Resurrections may be possible. However, they are, in most magic systems, very, very difficult... and some of those you wind up talking to The Powers to make it happen, and you end up bargaining with them to do it.
In other words, it might eventually happen... but given the learning curve, and where Resurrection typically falls on that curve, we're not likely to have such an instance in Fenspace for a couple of decades. And even when it occurs the first time, it might be something of an accident or otherwise impossibly to reproduce initially, since the sample size is likely to be one.
10/02/12 12:54 AM
Bob Schroeck wrote:If you disagree, then you have to ignore the Catalog in its entirety. Because it is based on the package of technologies gifted to Sylia Stingray by Legion in Drunkard's Walk II, brought to Fenspace by Lisa "Sailor Loon" Vanette and her companions, who are following Doug and who arrived in Fenspace because Doug was in Fenspace and helped get Stellvia up and running. As documented in Legend of Galactic Girls. If the Catalog exists, Fenspace is part of the same metacontinuity as DW. In fact, as that linked diagram indicates, Fenspace has been considered part of that metacontinuity for the last five years. Quod erat demonstrandum, baby.
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Dartz wrote:The first 'application' of manatech is a reference manatronic computer that, in theory, anyone can build?
Well there's the solution to the 'problem' of who can do it right there. Some people are born with it, some need a hardware assist to do it. Either cybernetic, or not.
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Proginoskes wrote:Am I right in that the primary point of contention is about letting DW dictate magical effects that must be allowed? Just because something is possible in a world connected to Fenspace (and Fenspace was visited by Doug and the Girls; that much is impossible to deny) doesn't mean it's possible in Fenspace. On the other hand (I've clearly been reading too much ponyfic; I almost wrote "other hoof" there), I think Bob is primarily objecting to hard artificial limits on what magic can or cannot do, which position I completely agree with. Because hey, it's Magic. It's not free, it takes real time and effort, but the whole point of magic is that if you have enough strength and cunning, anything is possible.
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