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08/28/12 02:06 PM
Rakhasa wrote:The "catgirl theory" is absurd. A Mad is alwas a Mad, so even if the Dr. was a catgirl with no memories (s)he would still be fiddling aroung in Things Man (and Cat) Were not Mean to Know, and you do not see Mad catgirls anywere around, don't y... er... ~checks wiki~ where exactly is Jenga and is it far enough from Luna for safety?
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Dartz wrote:It wouldn't surprise me if he put himself through a catgirl machine in a bid to escape by blending in with his 'creations', and in a fit of poetic justice unintentionally permanently erased his own memories.
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08/28/12 07:09 PM
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08/29/12 02:14 AM
08/29/12 11:06 AM
Ace Dreamer wrote:All "Julian Friez" have the same memories imprinted when they are created - his experiences before the machine. Catgirls vary more, and get the memories of the person who died to create them. This implies that all of that person's memories flow through the machine - maybe being subject to recording or replacement on the way (on-the-fly editing would be a massively complex task, in only 15mins).
08/29/12 11:23 AM
robkelk wrote:Ooh! I hadn't thought about that, but it does explain why **WHITENOISE** **WHITENOISE** **WHITENOISE** **WHITENOISE** **WHITENOISE** rather elegantly.
08/29/12 01:44 PM
HRogge wrote:robkelk wrote:Ooh! I hadn't thought about that, but it does explain why **WHITENOISE** **WHITENOISE** **WHITENOISE** **WHITENOISE** **WHITENOISE** rather elegantly.If the catgirling machine contains some memory manipulation tech (in addition to the typical Boskone memory wike), it might be discovered in Season 2... CI had spent a lot of time (like many other Fen) with the catgirling machine... and they also accumulate experience with memory manipulation during their work with Quattros tech. ;)
08/29/12 01:53 PM
Ace Dreamer wrote:Wiping someone's memories is... messy. If you just wipe everything then you've got an adult catgirl with the skills and experiences of an infant. And, they may not be able to relearn any useful skills without a great deal of work.
Boskone likely don't do this if they have a more sophisticated mind wipe.
08/29/12 03:34 PM
HRogge wrote:Ace Dreamer wrote:Wiping someone's memories is... messy. If you just wipe everything then you've got an adult catgirl with the skills and experiences of an infant. And, they may not be able to relearn any useful skills without a great deal of work.The Boskones had a device that removed most of the "memory", most likely a lot of the more complicated skills and the personality... leaving the victim without an idea who they are. But not all catgirls were "wiped".
08/29/12 03:37 PM
Ace Dreamer wrote:Sounds something like induced Multiple Personality Disorder (whatever it is fashionable to call it at the moment), or some other major fragmentation of the personality. Fiction has some remarkably precise devices which mess with people's memories, but I'm not sure how much you could get handwavium to cooperate in this sort of thing.
I suppose you could claim that hard-tech is used to do the damage, and handwavium is working as hard as it can to minimise the bad effects. One possibility is that the memories are all still there, they just can't be accessed, due to damage to either the retrieval system, or the indexing/associative system that lets people get at their memories. Changing someone's sense of personal identity by changing their body to a catgirl would be quite traumatic, and it is possible Boskone had a way of directing the effects of that trauma. Maybe something like high tech conditioning?
08/29/12 04:41 PM
HRogge wrote:Ace Dreamer wrote:Sounds something like induced Multiple Personality Disorder (whatever it is fashionable to call it at the moment), or some other major fragmentation of the personality. Fiction has some remarkably precise devices which mess with people's memories, but I'm not sure how much you could get handwavium to cooperate in this sort of thing.I think they developed it from some "quick-learning" device some other Fen invented.
Fenspace is not limited to building stuff from Scifi... (and it cannot build all stuff described in Scifi)
I suppose you could claim that hard-tech is used to do the damage, and handwavium is working as hard as it can to minimise the bad effects. One possibility is that the memories are all still there, they just can't be accessed, due to damage to either the retrieval system, or the indexing/associative system that lets people get at their memories. Changing someone's sense of personal identity by changing their body to a catgirl would be quite traumatic, and it is possible Boskone had a way of directing the effects of that trauma. Maybe something like high tech conditioning?If my (as a writer) knowledge is right, the memories are not there anymore. CI will have proven this in 2016 during their research.
08/29/12 05:16 PM
08/29/12 06:29 PM
Ace Dreamer wrote:Fiction has some remarkably precise devices which mess with people's memories, but I'm not sure how much you could get handwavium to cooperate in this sort of thing.
HRogge wrote:I think they developed it from some "quick-learning" device some other Fen invented.
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08/29/12 08:45 PM
robkelk wrote: HRogge wrote:I think they developed it from some "quick-learning" device some other Fen invented. Correct. Specifically, it's a development of the sleep-learning device that was invented by the unfortunate cab-driver who became Tabitha Doe.
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